Brianna Wu: Zoe Quinn's Biggest Mistake
According to the
recent leaks of the logs for what would give birth to Zoe Quinn's scam
known as the Crash Override Network, we find out just how a talentless
hack with no other skill other than attention whoring themselves got
such prominence in the first place.
Zoe Quinn and her corrupt friends were responsible. Apparently, the IDEA was to recruit as many people who wanted relevance to Quinn so she could use them as part of self sustaining chain reaction of mutual attention whoring where she would boost various con artists, and they in turn would boost her in return.
Hilariously, this turned out to be a massive mistake, and someone they hoped they could mold into the perfect stooge turned out to be far more independent minded than they thought, which is why these days they have cut all ties with Wu.
But let's back up a little and show how this infected tumor metastasized, shall we?
First, we see that early on in the leaked logs they were aware of Wu's "harassment"
(logs in bold, my comments in regular font)
[23/12/2014, 1:00:18 PM] drinternetphd: it's fucking ironic that I'm getting brigaded so hard for "doxing" after being willing to argue with brianna over not doxing like yesterday
[23/12/2014, 1:00:36 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: wait doxing
[23/12/2014, 1:00:38 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: dont you mean
[23/12/2014, 1:00:40 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: ATTEMPTED MURDER
[23/12/2014, 1:00:42 PM] Athena Hollow: LOL
[23/12/2014, 1:00:43 PM] drinternetphd: ha
[23/12/2014, 1:00:50 PM] Athena Hollow: God he's fucking dumb.
[23/12/2014, 1:00:54 PM] drinternetphd: I saw some post that was like SHE'S KILLED BEFORE SHE'LL KILL AGAIN
[23/12/2014, 1:01:10 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): So, like all the GG not-leaders are bigger "professional victims" than the people GG has been targetting
[23/12/2014, 1:01:17 PM] Athena Hollow: Yes.
[23/12/2014, 1:01:20 PM] drinternetphd: yes
[23/12/2014, 1:01:23 PM] Athena Hollow: all of them.
Here's we have Zoe Quinn (drinternetphd) trying to act all high and morally superior for trying to put Wu in their place for being a doxer, Nicholas "Sarah" Nyberg mocking Wu's histrionic bullshit response to being called out for his arrant stupidity, and even after a tacit admission Wu's an idiot, supreme hypocrite Izzy Galvez and Athena Hollow still insist somehow THEY are the side of the angels.
Short version is that even this early on they knew Wu was full of horseshit.
[24/12/2014, 1:16:59 AM] Remy: You can feel free to hire me if you need someone to inspect the building & points of entry for signs of tampering or forced entry
[24/12/2014, 1:17:06 AM] Alex Lifschitz: The need for alternatives is good but a really, really heavy order with way too much shit to consider right now. Let's see how the Patreon situation unfolds.
[24/12/2014, 1:17:33 AM] Peter Coffin: Here's the thing, I get that. I also have been talking about this for a while
[24/12/2014, 1:18:06 AM] Peter Coffin: I will likely pursue it, this isn't a quick process though
[24/12/2014, 1:18:08 AM] Remy: I def. see Alex's point. Also related to how I think Mrs. Wu wouldn't currently have the free time needed to take on another business project.
[24/12/2014, 1:18:20 AM] Alex Lifschitz: Frankly it just frustrates me that this whole situation re: Cernovich and Patreon has spun up because of a few people making one or two dumb moves. But, we can't control everything.
[24/12/2014, 1:18:48 AM] Alex Lifschitz: And TBF, god bless Brianna, I would not trust her with a hamster right now given her situation.
Here we have some scheming against Mike Cernovich, but more important, more admission they consider Wu a moron.
[24/12/2014, 1:19:03 AM] Peter Coffin: Like if we pitched tomorrow and it worked out, it would be months before there was anything done
[24/12/2014, 1:19:36 AM] Peter Coffin: Please elaborate. I don't know what you mean
[24/12/2014, 1:19:52 AM] Alex Lifschitz: Always good to have a background process unaffiliated, but let's invest our attention and hope right now into the small victories and continue the streak. Good things tend to happen as a result.
[24/12/2014, 1:20:01 AM] Peter Coffin: Agreed
[24/12/2014, 1:20:04 AM] Alex Lifschitz: About what?
[24/12/2014, 1:20:36 AM] Peter Coffin: Brianna, I have been out of contact with her a bit
[24/12/2014, 1:21:01 AM] Remy: We may be having two conversations simultaneously right now and if that's my fault I apologize but I promise I'm listening to both people
[24/12/2014, 1:21:11 AM] Peter Coffin: Actually everyone lately
[24/12/2014, 1:21:26 AM] Alex Lifschitz: She's in a really sensitive place from all the insanity and acts pretty much entirely on impulse with no thought for appearance, consequences, or tactics.
Again, more admission Wu is an imbecile they cannot make dance to their tune who does their own thing, much to their consternation.
[24/12/2014, 1:21:57 AM] Remy: I have been sensing that but didn't want to assume I knew
[24/12/2014, 1:22:04 AM] Alex Lifschitz: I feel for her, but reliable she is not.
[24/12/2014, 1:22:07 AM] Ian Cheong: Yeah, she's said and done a few very damaging things to her own cause.
[24/12/2014, 1:22:17 AM] Ian Cheong: We have to be tactical about this.
[24/12/2014, 1:22:19 AM] Alex Lifschitz: Yeah. She's totally new to both feminism and crisis management.
[24/12/2014, 1:22:34 AM] Remy: She might still be trapped inside the mad minute and just trying to make sense of everything
[24/12/2014, 1:22:51 AM] Remy: She was ambushed as well, that tends to unbalance you at first
[24/12/2014, 1:23:11 AM] Alex Lifschitz: It's really getting to her and she has started to develop some weird expectations of what she is owed and capable of.
Ironic, give how entitled the rest of the parties here (save Cheong, who later repudiated these people and even then was the smart one who saw this trainwreck for what it was) are about what they are entitled to, but they do accurately point out Wu was and still is someone who flails and screams without thinking about the consequences.
[24/12/2014, 1:23:22 AM] Remy: Sorry the first part of an ambush is often called the "mad minute" 'cause nothing ever gets communicated it's just nothing but shooting and screaming
[24/12/2014, 1:23:22 AM] Alex Lifschitz: It's just really unfortunate but I can't recommend association with any major moves of hers right now.
[24/12/2014, 1:23:46 AM] Remy: I really wish I had made a better resume so I could have been hired for her new assistant position
And this has two hilarious reveals: One, Lifschitz realizes they made an epic mistake in trying to associate with Wu and wants to cut Wu off, and Remy wanted the job of Wu's assistant, presumably to be a more effective "handler".
[31/12/2014, 4:06:38 AM] Tesseract: brianna got modded on ghazi
[31/12/2014, 4:06:56 AM] live:riotarms: Member of YMO remixed the Xevious music and I think they also made a fake language as part of some 80s project
[31/12/2014, 4:07:57 AM] Ian Cheong: Oh TEss
[31/12/2014, 4:07:59 AM] Ian Cheong: that's a bad decision
[31/12/2014, 4:08:04 AM] Ian Cheong: she is a loose cannon
[31/12/2014, 4:10:12 AM] David Gallant: What exactly will mod status allow her to do?
[31/12/2014, 4:10:18 AM] Ian Cheong: delete posts.
[31/12/2014, 4:10:21 AM] Ian Cheong: censor people.
[31/12/2014, 4:10:27 AM] Ian Cheong: approve posts
[31/12/2014, 4:10:37 AM] Quinnae: I did note that. I'll try and counsel her a bit on that.
[31/12/2014, 4:10:44 AM] Quinnae: Frankly I'm disappointed she accepted.
[31/12/2014, 4:11:08 AM] David Gallant: Seems weird she would accept that mod position when she's trying to focus more on making games.
And this section covers Wu's appointment to position of moderator on r/GamerGhazi, which they and later the rest of GamerGhazi would come to regret. Cheong again sees this will end in ignominious failure, even David Gallant has the good sense to realize this is stretching the limits of Wu's competence, and Quinnae (Katherine Cross) is revealed as the go between trying to be Wu's handler and even Cross isn't very optimistic Wu will not make a hash of things.
[31/12/2014, 4:11:39 AM] Ian Cheong: This message has been removed.
[31/12/2014, 4:12:40 AM] Rob: I don't like positions of authority being given out unless the person is going to use them (and well)
[31/12/2014, 4:12:54 AM] Rob: it's why I always ran kicking and screaming when people wanted to make me an officer in games like WoW and shit
[31/12/2014, 4:13:04 AM] Ian Cheong: i mean, im fine with inactive mods not doing anything, but it's kinda iffy when a person has a history of being a loose cannon.
And here we have more prophetic statements that would prove true, as Wu's history as a GamerGhazi mod was so horrible even they don't like to talk about it.
[01/01/2015, 2:42:35 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Which specific tweet from Bri started this whole headbutting with the trans community going on right now with Bri?
[01/01/2015, 2:42:46 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Seems a lot of people want her to apologize for something
[01/01/2015, 2:43:39 AM] Athena Hollow: https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/550350565168128000
[01/01/2015, 2:44:09 AM] Athena Hollow: https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/550350737772146688
[01/01/2015, 2:44:14 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: did anyone find the Helen Lewis comment/article?
[01/01/2015, 2:44:30 AM] Rob: I know Helen Lewis does have a history of transphobic stuff
[01/01/2015, 2:44:36 AM] Athena Hollow: https://twitter.com/helenlewis/status/549953400855855104
[01/01/2015, 2:44:36 AM] Dina : ok Brianna no
[01/01/2015, 2:44:50 AM] Rob: but there are a lot of feminists who do
[01/01/2015, 2:44:52 AM] Rob: big and small
[01/01/2015, 2:44:58 AM] Rob: and they rarely get called on it
[01/01/2015, 2:45:02 AM] Rob: By the public at large
[01/01/2015, 2:45:06 AM] Rob: so I'm wondering if she just doesn't know?
[01/01/2015, 2:45:32 AM] Athena Hollow: in this particular instance, I get what Helen is saying - she's going from a journalistic angle, but if she has a history of transphobic stuff then she should probably just not have said anything at all
[01/01/2015, 2:45:38 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): OMG. Where's Zoe? I need to show her this: https://twitter.com/schalart/status/550361925021089792
[01/01/2015, 2:45:40 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i don't know helen lewis's history. but that comment alone (though i disagree with it) certainly wasn't transphobic, imo
[01/01/2015, 2:45:46 AM] Dina : no I fee like Bri has a weird tendency to co opt the struggle du jour
[01/01/2015, 2:45:49 AM] Athena Hollow: i think it's because of her history
On top of detailing how badly Wu handles Twitter spats over trans issues, we also get a tacit admission Wu themselves is trans.
[01/01/2015, 2:45:49 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: agree, athena
[01/01/2015, 2:45:55 AM] Dina : but maybe I'm just being a bitch
[01/01/2015, 2:45:57 AM] Athena Hollow: which i also don't know
[01/01/2015, 2:46:19 AM] Athena Hollow: I think Bri likes to be an ally, and aknowledges the fact that she has the reach to get the message out there
[01/01/2015, 2:46:25 AM] Athena Hollow: but unknowingly speaks over those people
[01/01/2015, 2:46:34 AM] Athena Hollow: like those "bad" feminist dudes we were talking about.
[01/01/2015, 2:46:39 AM] Dina : speaks over is a great way to put it imho
[01/01/2015, 2:46:40 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): McIntosh
[01/01/2015, 2:46:44 AM] Athena Hollow: him. yes.
[01/01/2015, 2:46:46 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): I don't like how he does that
[01/01/2015, 2:46:47 AM] Athena Hollow: a lot.
[01/01/2015, 2:46:52 AM] Dina : who?
[01/01/2015, 2:46:55 AM] Rob: I'm always worried about crossing that line, tbh
[01/01/2015, 2:47:02 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): the other half of Feminist Frequency
[01/01/2015, 2:47:07 AM] Dina : oooh
[01/01/2015, 2:47:08 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Jonathan McIntosh
And here we have an amusing comparison of McIntosh and Wu as both being a bunch of bad allies who come off as condescending assholes.
[01/01/2015, 2:47:13 AM] Rob: since i spend an inordinate amount of time talking about feminism and lgbtq rights or muslim rights etc
[01/01/2015, 2:47:23 AM] Dina : yeah I don't follow him, enough white dudes on my TL
[01/01/2015, 2:47:26 AM] Dina : no offense
[01/01/2015, 2:47:31 AM] Rob: none taken, dina, lol
[01/01/2015, 2:47:32 AM] Athena Hollow: The way I handle it Rob, is I pose it as a question instead of a statement if it's something that I don't have cold fact to rely on.
[01/01/2015, 2:47:37 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: hey i was a white dude once qq
[01/01/2015, 2:47:39 AM] Peter Coffin: none taken
[01/01/2015, 2:48:04 AM] Peter Coffin: though sometimes I'm a dirty jew, depends on your racial perspective
[01/01/2015, 2:48:07 AM] Athena Hollow: lol
[01/01/2015, 2:48:18 AM] Rob: And sometimes I'm a filthy border hopper
[01/01/2015, 2:48:32 AM] Peter Coffin: you own a pogo stick?
[01/01/2015, 2:48:36 AM] Rob: :D
[01/01/2015, 2:48:36 AM] Athena Hollow: The way Brianna SHOULD have handled that statement was asking about Helen's transphobic history to see if there was more to it that she is unaware of
[01/01/2015, 2:48:43 AM] Athena Hollow: instead she said "We shouldn't call her transphobic"
And they end this discussion with little self deprecatory humor and more despondency over how Wu screwed things up again.
[01/01/2015, 9:02:34 AM] Athena Hollow: https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/550456572854689793 >_>
[01/01/2015, 9:02:59 AM] Tesseract: no brianna don't do that
[01/01/2015, 9:03:16 AM] Athena Hollow: and she rt'd the obviously sarcastic response >_>
[01/01/2015, 9:03:31 AM] Charloppe: le sigh
[01/01/2015, 9:03:56 AM] Charloppe: i will admit I rather be aware of the shit then oblivious like I was
[01/01/2015, 9:25:18 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Is Brianna being reckless again on Twitter?
[01/01/2015, 9:25:25 AM] Remy: not currently
[01/01/2015, 9:25:43 AM] Remy: But she has made a 2015 resolution to be more expressive and not bottle up so much
Yet more regret Wu doesn't know how to read off a script and instead embarrasses themselves.
And since a few admissions Wu is transgender have already come up, here's a few more admissions they are aware of it:
[24/12/2014, 2:03:41 PM] Tesseract: here's the list of search terms I use to catch harassing tweets
[24/12/2014, 2:03:43 PM] Tesseract: bitch bitches cunt cunts whore whores nigger niggers fag fags faggot faggots tranny trannies jew jews nazi nazis rape
zoe quinn thequinnspiracy literally lw lw1 chelsea van valkenburg
femfreq anita sarkeesian
lw2 brianna wu spacekatgal deceitfulwu john walker flynt lwu lw3
freebsdgirl randi harper blue
leigh alexander leighalexander
srh sarah butts srhbutts
devi ever deviever grace lynn pixelgoth devinever deviwhatever disgracedlynn
chloe sagal chloesagal
ian miles cheong stillgray
arthur_affect arthur chu
alex lifschitz alexlifschitz
jonathan mcintosh radicalbytes #FullMcintosh
Note the "john walker flynt"
[02/01/2015, 9:44:12 AM] Quinnae: Eh, it's a long story that requires getting into the weeds of trans politics. Basically Brianna Wu shot from the hip about something very inadvisable that came off as a cis woman cissplaining transphobia to trans people, some of the angrier trans folk online got upset. Erika got really mad. Brianna Wu's social media coordinator blocked Erika, Erika got madder and started rallying people against Brianna Wu squashing her and being transphobic…
Keep in mind if Wu was NOT trans, Katherine Cross (who is trans themselves) would not have referred to Wu's miscues as "a cis woman cissplaining transphobia to trans people", but rather it would be the other way round.
Further, if Wu was not trans, why is Cross outing someone who isn't?
And the below should eliminate any doubts they are very aware Wu is transgender:
[02/01/2015, 2:26:18 PM] Ian Cheong: forgive me if i sound ignorant but how is brianna being transphobic?
[02/01/2015, 2:26:36 PM] Remy: She isn't
[02/01/2015, 2:26:39 PM] Athena Hollow: It was more 'ignorance' than 'malicious'.
[02/01/2015, 2:26:43 PM] Remy: Unless something has happened I"m not aware of
[02/01/2015, 2:26:51 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Who claimed that? I am seeing people saying she is "cisplaining' or stepping over and trying to speak for trans people.
[02/01/2015, 2:26:52 PM] Athena Hollow: She cis splained some trans stuff to trans people
[02/01/2015, 2:26:56 PM] Remy: ^
[02/01/2015, 2:26:57 PM] Athena Hollow: without asking first
[02/01/2015, 2:27:19 PM] Remy: This wasn't a malicious attack it was a faux pas
[02/01/2015, 2:27:22 PM] Ian Cheong: izzy, the stuff erika said
[02/01/2015, 2:27:23 PM] Athena Hollow: yup
[02/01/2015, 2:27:28 PM] Ian Cheong: erika was accusing her of transphobia
[02/01/2015, 2:27:33 PM] Tesseract: does this quash the rumors of her being trans at least
Note, Wu was the one who called accusations of being trans 'rumors", but as we see below, the truth is spelled out.
[02/01/2015, 2:27:37 PM] Ian Cheong: (doh)
[02/01/2015, 2:27:45 PM] Ian Cheong: no she could stilll be trans
[02/01/2015, 2:27:59 PM] Ian Cheong: shes just not versed in the grammar of talking about trans issues
[02/01/2015, 2:28:10 PM] Randi Harper: it's stupid.
[02/01/2015, 2:28:14 PM] Randi Harper: the entire thing is fucking stupid.
[02/01/2015, 2:28:16 PM] Quinnae: No it does not "quash the rumours." This is just… a complicated situation.
Cross has tried to not just outright say Wu is trans, but it's the elephant in the room, and we'll see below they know denying it is very stupid.
[02/01/2015, 2:28:20 PM] Randi Harper: and i'm pissed about it.
[02/01/2015, 2:28:20 PM] Tesseract: I mean I guess if chobitcoin can be trans brianna can fuck up some minor thing
[02/01/2015, 2:28:33 PM] Ian Cheong: I wish people wouldn't turn on her so quickly, you know?
[02/01/2015, 2:28:33 PM] Athena Hollow: lol
[02/01/2015, 2:28:37 PM] Ian Cheong: There's bigger, worse targets out there
[02/01/2015, 2:28:39 PM] Ian Cheong: like chobit
[02/01/2015, 2:28:45 PM] Ian Cheong: who is openly transphobic towards other trans people.
[02/01/2015, 2:28:57 PM] Quinnae: Well, so far as I can see, not many are turning on her and I think we took the heat out of this today.
[02/01/2015, 2:29:35 PM] Randi Harper: I wish stupid bitches would learn to act like goddamn grownup and not throw their tantrums on twitter REFUSING to actually talk to the person involved privately when they KNOW it's going to bring down even more hate and mocking on someone that's already been such a target she's had to leave her house.
[02/01/2015, 2:29:38 PM] Randi Harper: so mad.
[02/01/2015, 2:29:43 PM] Randi Harper: it's just so fucking low class.
[02/01/2015, 2:29:47 PM] Ian Cheong: Agreed
[02/01/2015, 2:30:15 PM] Randi Harper: and I so fucking called it. I said GG would see it and run with it, and they have.
[02/01/2015, 2:30:27 PM] Ian Cheong: I get that she says ignorant things sometimes but she's been under a lot of pressure, is the focus of so much harassment.
[02/01/2015, 2:30:40 PM] Quinnae: We did get her to talk privately at least, Randi, and resolved it.
[02/01/2015, 2:30:54 PM] Randi Harper: eventually. yet the tweets remained. and she gave a halfass "yeah, we worked it out"
[02/01/2015, 2:31:04 PM] Randi Harper: I was told this isn't the first time she's pulled this shit and I have no patience for people like that. I think they are scum.
[02/01/2015, 2:31:18 PM] Quinnae: Steady on, Randi, that's a bit much.
[02/01/2015, 2:31:22 PM] Ian Cheong: yeah
[02/01/2015, 2:31:27 PM] Remy: But I think we totally understand where you're coming from Randi
[02/01/2015, 2:31:30 PM] Quinnae: We're trying our damndest here.
[02/01/2015, 2:31:38 PM] Randi Harper: harsh for you. I can have my own feelings and things that piss me off, and that's one of the major ones.
[02/01/2015, 2:31:43 PM] Remy: When you put so much into your work it's hard to see a lack of professionalism start to effect your friends
[02/01/2015, 2:32:48 PM] Quinnae: Agreed. I'm just not going to throw another trans woman under the bus without good cause. Feeling powerless can lead to some ugly behaviours. In time, you can grow out of them, hopefully, but it takes effort and shepherding.
[02/01/2015, 2:32:59 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Ugh. So much tension on "our side" lately. Like this: https://twitter.com/8BitBecca/status/550902426518421504
[02/01/2015, 2:33:07 PM] Randi Harper: i'm not throwing her under the bus because she's trans. i'm throwing her under the bus - in this chat only, and not publicly - because of her actions.
[02/01/2015, 2:33:13 PM] Randi Harper: trans is not a shield from shitty behavior.
[02/01/2015, 2:33:26 PM] Ian Cheong: ^
[02/01/2015, 2:33:32 PM] Remy: I was gonna say I am just glad we have places like this where we can vent and express our frustrations
[02/01/2015, 2:33:42 PM] Randi Harper: indeed. this is not something I ever could have said on twitter.
And Randi Harper finally decides "to hell with pretense" and calls Wu out for being an incompetent and openly acknowledges (in a private chat she never thought would see the light of day) Wu is transgender, that is no shield for Wu acting like an idiot, and makes no bones about her rage at Wu's arrogance and incompetence. Cross reluctantly acknowledges the same, tacitly admitting in vain they've tried to be Wu's stage manager and frustrated Wu keeps tossing out the script.
[02/01/2015, 5:52:18 AM] Quinnae: I was talking Brianna down from her position, trying to put a lid on this all as we speak.
[02/01/2015, 5:52:29 AM] Quinnae: She's definitely listening.
[02/01/2015, 5:52:32 AM] Rob: Good, Katherine ❤
[02/01/2015, 5:52:35 AM] Athena Hollow: That's good :)
[02/01/2015, 5:52:41 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): ❤
[02/01/2015, 5:52:45 AM] Athena Hollow: I was really worried it was all gonna go super topsy turvy
[02/01/2015, 5:52:48 AM] Rob: Like she follows me and I was tempted to DM her
[02/01/2015, 5:53:01 AM] Rob: but I haven't spoken to her privately that much and I'm not trans so I also didn't want to get anything wrong :\
[02/01/2015, 5:54:17 AM] Remy: I need to find a picture of someone trying to hold onto a literal shield while someone is taking it away
[02/01/2015, 5:54:20 AM] Remy: So I can tweet NotYourShield
[02/01/2015, 5:54:36 AM] drinternetphd: katherine, could you send me those links again?
[02/01/2015, 5:54:42 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): I'm so mean, guys. :( /s https://twitter.com/iglvzx/status/550772036285390848
[02/01/2015, 5:54:43 AM] Rob: Does anyone have the link to the op against the trans hotline?
[02/01/2015, 5:54:49 AM] Rob: Auragasmic is asking me for info on it
[02/01/2015, 5:54:52 AM] drinternetphd: I nuked my skype history and lost them before being able to add them to scrivener
Here we have more proof Cross tried in vain to be Wu's damage control.
[02/01/2015, 9:41:37 AM] Quinnae: flops Gods that was exhausting.
[02/01/2015, 9:41:42 AM] Athena Hollow: yeah i bet.
[02/01/2015, 9:41:43 AM] Rob: ❤ KATHERINE
[02/01/2015, 9:41:43 AM] Athena Hollow: ❤
[02/01/2015, 9:41:48 AM] Quinnae: Had a long conversation with Erika afterwards too.
[02/01/2015, 9:41:50 AM] Rob: Seriosuly you are fucking awesome
[02/01/2015, 9:41:50 AM] Remy: Hey Katherine
[02/01/2015, 9:41:53 AM] Remy: We were just cheering for you
[02/01/2015, 9:42:04 AM] Quinnae: D'awww. Thanks all.
[02/01/2015, 9:42:07 AM] Remy: You're the best ❤
[02/01/2015, 9:42:11 AM] SF: I was wishing Tesseract a happy birthday.
[02/01/2015, 9:42:14 AM] Remy: Don't tell Veerender ❤ I said that
[02/01/2015, 9:42:18 AM] Athena Hollow: oh hahaha it's her "birthday"
[02/01/2015, 9:42:28 AM] Quinnae: Yeah, that was a tangle. sighs Eating a well-deserved pizza right now. Because goddamn… I do hate playing peacemaker.
Cross, off the heels of trying to defuse another bomb Wu activated, obviously flustered.
[02/01/2015, 9:42:29 AM] Remy: I'm cheating on all of you with Veerender ❤
[02/01/2015, 9:42:33 AM] Athena Hollow: lol
[02/01/2015, 9:42:36 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: Erika's cool, has a lot lot of very strong opinions and useful links on various trans issues, but… she's also really RIGHT on the edge of suicide and takes things really really personally.
[02/01/2015, 9:42:36 AM] Randi Harper: quinnae: what the hell was all that about?
[02/01/2015, 9:42:38 AM] Athena Hollow: well you may hate it but you're good :)
[02/01/2015, 9:42:39 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: what happened, katherine?
[02/01/2015, 9:42:47 AM] Randi Harper: quinnae: she might throw another fit when she sees that I've preemptively blocked her.
[02/01/2015, 9:42:47 AM] Rob: SGG: Yes, that.
[02/01/2015, 9:42:53 AM] Peter Coffin: hey folks whats up
[02/01/2015, 9:42:53 AM] Quinnae: I like it in theory. :) It just takes a lot out of her.
[02/01/2015, 9:42:57 AM] Quinnae: *out of me
[02/01/2015, 9:43:05 AM] Rob: Which is why I was like STEPS AWAY, SHUT DOWN ACCOUNT when all that shit went down between us
[02/01/2015, 9:43:10 AM] Athena Hollow: yeah
[02/01/2015, 9:43:15 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i'm very lost
[02/01/2015, 9:43:27 AM] Athena Hollow: Ericka got mad at Bri. Shit hit fan.
[02/01/2015, 9:43:35 AM] Peter Coffin: what
[02/01/2015, 9:43:35 AM] Athena Hollow: Katherine was lady mediator & saved the day
[02/01/2015, 9:43:40 AM] Athena Hollow: all is well in the world again
[02/01/2015, 9:43:43 AM] Rob: Like as some of you may have noticed (ha ha ha) I have an anger problem
[02/01/2015, 9:43:45 AM] Athena Hollow: (as well as it can be of course)
[02/01/2015, 9:44:12 AM] Quinnae: Eh, it's a long story that requires getting into the weeds of trans politics. Basically Brianna Wu shot from the hip about something very inadvisable that came off as a cis woman cissplaining transphobia to trans people, some of the angrier trans folk online got upset. Erika got really mad. Brianna Wu's social media coordinator blocked Erika, Erika got madder and started rallying people against Brianna Wu squashing her and being transphobic…
As explained earlier, Cross is basically the one who served as the go between for Quinn's cabal and Wu, and every time Cross clamped down on another Wu screwup, reports were delivered to Quinn and her acolytes.
[02/01/2015, 9:44:14 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: thank you for helping out, katherine. but be sure to take care of yourself :(
[02/01/2015, 9:44:20 AM] Quinnae: That was when Randi showed up and I stepped in at around the same time.
[02/01/2015, 9:44:37 AM] Quinnae: It had to be done, that could've gotten very ugly very fast.
[02/01/2015, 9:44:40 AM] Rob: Katherine you are awesome for defusing that
[02/01/2015, 9:44:50 AM] Rob: also when you favorite my stuff I'm like SENPAI ❤
[02/01/2015, 9:44:55 AM] Athena Hollow: hahaha
[02/01/2015, 9:44:56 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: haha
[02/01/2015, 9:45:09 AM] Rob: DON'T LAUGH I LIKE ACADEMICS OKAY
[02/01/2015, 9:45:16 AM] Quinnae: laughs and tosses her hair over her shoulder, winks
[02/01/2015, 9:45:17 AM] Remy: Let's all just hope it's too complicated for GG to try and parse through and use against them
Small aside here, they acknowledge here GamerGate is a valid "side". So much for that "Gamergate and everyone else" meme they loved to spout in public.
[02/01/2015, 9:45:19 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL
[02/01/2015, 9:45:21 AM] Remy: Or other reactionaries
[02/01/2015, 9:45:28 AM] Athena Hollow: oh yeah, gg is dumb, we're good.
[02/01/2015, 9:45:29 AM] Athena Hollow: lol
[02/01/2015, 9:45:36 AM] Randi Harper: i'm fully waiting for the KiA piece about how bri is a transphobic and i defended her.
[02/01/2015, 9:45:40 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL
[02/01/2015, 9:45:47 AM] Quinnae: Yeah. That's one of the big risks.
[02/01/2015, 9:45:47 AM] Randi Harper: dead serious.
[02/01/2015, 9:45:47 AM] Athena Hollow: I'll get the popcorn ready.
[02/01/2015, 9:45:48 AM] Peter Coffin: well done katherine & randi
[02/01/2015, 9:45:50 AM] Randi Harper: not even laughing.
[02/01/2015, 9:45:51 AM] Remy: Yup
[02/01/2015, 9:45:53 AM] Quinnae: Another fissure for GG to exploit.
[02/01/2015, 9:45:54 AM] Rob: I know, Randi. It's gonna happen
[02/01/2015, 9:45:56 AM] Remy: I didn't wanna say it but Randi di
[02/01/2015, 9:45:57 AM] Randi Harper: peter: i daccomplished nothing.
[02/01/2015, 9:46:04 AM] Quinnae: It's one of the main reasons this had to be clamped down ASAP.
Cross yet again establishing they were damage control, partially to prevent what they openly have acknowledged as a massive mistake from being used against them.
[02/01/2015, 9:47:56 AM] Randi Harper: also slightly annoyed with her "yeah, confirming that spacekatgal and i worked it out" after spewing tons of tweets about how bri is a horrible person.
[02/01/2015, 9:47:56 AM] drinternetphd: Just cause the avenues for actually talking shut down so quick and people just start shouting past each other
[02/01/2015, 9:47:59 AM] Randi Harper: not adequate.
[02/01/2015, 9:48:09 AM] Rob: agreed, zoe
[02/01/2015, 9:48:18 AM] Quinnae: Eh, Randi, to be honest with you…
[02/01/2015, 9:48:34 AM] Randi Harper: be honest. i'm not going to be offended.
[02/01/2015, 9:48:35 AM] Rob: And also 140 characters PLUS trying to watch your words so they're not misinterpreted (deliberately, by GG) PLUS having people interject….
[02/01/2015, 9:48:51 AM] Quinnae: She's not very powerful and definitely the much smaller underprivileged party here. I don't want her to make a big song and dance out of apologising, I'm interested in practical outcomes. This just needed to stop.
[02/01/2015, 9:48:55 AM] Quinnae: It has, and I'm pleased with that.
[02/01/2015, 9:48:58 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: wait you mean leigh WASN'T laughing at native islanders
[02/01/2015, 9:49:00 AM] Quinnae: So is Brianna.
[02/01/2015, 9:49:07 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL Sarah.
[02/01/2015, 9:49:10 AM] Randi Harper: it's not about making a statement politically. it's about how i view her as a person now.
[02/01/2015, 9:49:38 AM] Rob: I will say this, Randi - if people try o use their fight against bri? Erika's going to be the first person to tell them to fuck off
[02/01/2015, 9:49:42 AM] Rob: and be vociferous in defending bri
[02/01/2015, 9:49:48 AM] Athena Hollow: There is that.
[02/01/2015, 9:49:52 AM] Rob: She did that when people tried to use our tiff against me.
[02/01/2015, 9:50:16 AM] Remy: Randi's plate seems like it's just too full for her to have patience with people playing fast and loose on Twitter
[02/01/2015, 9:50:26 AM] Randi Harper: i find her tactics distasteful. after kicking up all that fuss, her response wasn't adequate, and i dislike her as a person because of it.
[02/01/2015, 9:50:26 AM] Athena Hollow: yeah.
[02/01/2015, 9:50:34 AM] Randi Harper: no, this is aside from twitter.
[02/01/2015, 9:50:39 AM] Randi Harper: that is the kind of shit that grinds my gears.
[02/01/2015, 9:50:56 AM] SF: I have to say I have trouble sympathizing when people get really upset over trans issues over cisplaining and such. I mean, it's frustrating, but I'm a little more concerned about people who want to literally murder me.
[02/01/2015, 9:50:58 AM] Remy: oh my bad I'm gonna stop talking about things I don't understand now x-x
[02/01/2015, 9:51:25 AM] SF: And I get you can call out both, but, perspective.
[02/01/2015, 9:51:41 AM] Quinnae: Yeah, and you all know my views on such things.
[02/01/2015, 9:51:45 AM] Randi Harper: this whole twitter thing has been a whole exercise in pushing past my knee-jerk reaction of finding public fights to be repellant. I've been justifying it by saying it's for the greater good, whatever, responding to attacks.
[02/01/2015, 9:51:53 AM] Quinnae: I try my best to be pragmatic.
[02/01/2015, 9:52:00 AM] Rob: Definitely not gonna disagree, randi
[02/01/2015, 9:52:32 AM] Quinnae: Yeah, not a fan of Twitter spats either, Randi.
[02/01/2015, 9:52:41 AM] Randi Harper: not a fan of any public spats.
Randi Harper is again candid about how Wu's reaction in a Twitter spat do not make her feel comfortable in the slightest and bluntly rages about how Wu is an idiot with no impulse control or discretion.
[02/01/2015, 12:19:48 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Any sane person is going to hate GG, especially if you're a trans woman, and ESPECIALLY if you're a suicidal trans woman
The following about the suicide of Leelah Acorn, and Secret Gamer Girl (whose last public tweet refers to their reaction to having these logs outed) sets the tone nicely for the rest that follows, especially their deranged insistence that GamerGate is an enemy of the transgendered, which is bizarre, since GamerGate has many transgendered people aligned with it.
[02/01/2015, 12:19:51 PM] Remy: yup
[02/01/2015, 12:19:52 PM] Quinnae: That's sad. I feel the same way Zoe. sighs
[02/01/2015, 12:19:57 PM] Remy: She was also on Reddit
[02/01/2015, 12:20:09 PM] Peter Coffin: Ah that's so sad
[02/01/2015, 12:20:16 PM] Ian Cheong: People are really mad at Brianna for posting about Leelah
[02/01/2015, 12:20:29 PM] Remy: Tons of people have posted about Leelah
[02/01/2015, 12:20:44 PM] drinternetphd: I just tried to signal boost resources for trans youth.
[02/01/2015, 12:21:10 PM] Remy: And I try and tweet out about TAVA when I get the chance
[02/01/2015, 12:21:13 PM] drinternetphd: Cause I didn't know whAt to do and I didn't want anyone to get harassed
[02/01/2015, 12:21:34 PM] Ian Cheong: https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/549802874608549888
[02/01/2015, 12:21:38 PM] Ian Cheong: this tweet got people mad.
[02/01/2015, 12:22:34 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): That one? I thought it was the one where she told her trans followers to not call someone transphobic
[02/01/2015, 12:22:37 PM] Remy: I was also stoked when that news agency checked out that lead and confirmed Leelahs' note
[02/01/2015, 12:23:09 PM] Ian Cheong: well izzy KIA is saying that she found a way to blame GG for Leelah's death and that's blahbblahblahblah
[02/01/2015, 12:23:28 PM] Ian Cheong: People infer a lot of stupid things.
[02/01/2015, 12:23:47 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Well, I have that screenshot of GG trying to use Leelah's death to improve their public image
[02/01/2015, 12:23:55 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): they are worse
[02/01/2015, 12:24:28 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): this: https://twitter.com/iglvzx/status/550159129956732928
[02/01/2015, 12:24:34 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: pretty sure Brianna deleted all the tweets that really got people upset real shortly after, yeah
Here we have some griping about Wu's inability to handle a situation like this without handing ammo to their enemies.
[02/01/2015, 12:25:34 PM] Ian Cheong: my fucking ps4 keeps turning itself on
[02/01/2015, 12:25:43 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): o.o
[02/01/2015, 12:26:07 PM] Ian Cheong: the power board is messed up
[02/01/2015, 12:26:16 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-4-Support/Ps4-Keeps-turning-on-randomly-ejects-game-disc/td-p/42955907
[02/01/2015, 12:26:26 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): "Ps4 Keeps turning on randomly, ejects game disc"
[02/01/2015, 12:26:27 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): spooky
[02/01/2015, 12:27:51 PM] SF: I don't even know how to feel about Leelah Alcorn. In like the literal sense.
[02/01/2015, 12:28:03 PM] SF: Maybe it's mental defence filtering me out from thinking about it too hard.
[02/01/2015, 12:28:33 PM] drinternetphd: I just want to hug a lot of people and thank every god and goddess ever that the trans women in my life are still with me
[02/01/2015, 12:28:37 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Also I have yet to see one single person say "GG drove Leelah to suicide" or anything of the sort, but when you make a specific goal of driving all trans women to suicide as just sort of a general goal, it's fair to hold you accountable for all cases.
[02/01/2015, 12:28:53 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: and yeah, seriously
[02/01/2015, 12:29:01 PM] SF: GG pretty clearly has plenty of op transgenocide in their ranks.
I'll be blunt, "Secret Gamer Girl" is insane. I wouldn't have stood up for Transeye West if I hated the transgendered, and according to the hit count on my blog, KIA gave me thousands of hits in under a day for rehosting their Medium article Wu bullied them into getting removed from Twitter, so I doubt a large majority of GG aligned people hate the transgendered.
[02/01/2015, 12:29:03 PM] drinternetphd: I wanted to like
[02/01/2015, 12:29:13 PM] drinternetphd: Put a message out to my trans followers
[02/01/2015, 12:29:24 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: did you happen to catch mine?
[02/01/2015, 12:29:39 PM] drinternetphd: Congratulating them on surviving another year because of how fucking shitty of a deal they've been given
We close this out with Quinn and SGG congratulating themselves on how they made themselves look good.
There are a few other mentions of Wu in the logs, but the following already establishes the following facts:
Wu was to be their puppet, but became their albatross.
Zoe Quinn and her corrupt friends were responsible. Apparently, the IDEA was to recruit as many people who wanted relevance to Quinn so she could use them as part of self sustaining chain reaction of mutual attention whoring where she would boost various con artists, and they in turn would boost her in return.
Hilariously, this turned out to be a massive mistake, and someone they hoped they could mold into the perfect stooge turned out to be far more independent minded than they thought, which is why these days they have cut all ties with Wu.
But let's back up a little and show how this infected tumor metastasized, shall we?
First, we see that early on in the leaked logs they were aware of Wu's "harassment"
(logs in bold, my comments in regular font)
[23/12/2014, 1:00:18 PM] drinternetphd: it's fucking ironic that I'm getting brigaded so hard for "doxing" after being willing to argue with brianna over not doxing like yesterday
[23/12/2014, 1:00:36 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: wait doxing
[23/12/2014, 1:00:38 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: dont you mean
[23/12/2014, 1:00:40 PM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: ATTEMPTED MURDER
[23/12/2014, 1:00:42 PM] Athena Hollow: LOL
[23/12/2014, 1:00:43 PM] drinternetphd: ha
[23/12/2014, 1:00:50 PM] Athena Hollow: God he's fucking dumb.
[23/12/2014, 1:00:54 PM] drinternetphd: I saw some post that was like SHE'S KILLED BEFORE SHE'LL KILL AGAIN
[23/12/2014, 1:01:10 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): So, like all the GG not-leaders are bigger "professional victims" than the people GG has been targetting
[23/12/2014, 1:01:17 PM] Athena Hollow: Yes.
[23/12/2014, 1:01:20 PM] drinternetphd: yes
[23/12/2014, 1:01:23 PM] Athena Hollow: all of them.
Here's we have Zoe Quinn (drinternetphd) trying to act all high and morally superior for trying to put Wu in their place for being a doxer, Nicholas "Sarah" Nyberg mocking Wu's histrionic bullshit response to being called out for his arrant stupidity, and even after a tacit admission Wu's an idiot, supreme hypocrite Izzy Galvez and Athena Hollow still insist somehow THEY are the side of the angels.
Short version is that even this early on they knew Wu was full of horseshit.
[24/12/2014, 1:16:59 AM] Remy: You can feel free to hire me if you need someone to inspect the building & points of entry for signs of tampering or forced entry
[24/12/2014, 1:17:06 AM] Alex Lifschitz: The need for alternatives is good but a really, really heavy order with way too much shit to consider right now. Let's see how the Patreon situation unfolds.
[24/12/2014, 1:17:33 AM] Peter Coffin: Here's the thing, I get that. I also have been talking about this for a while
[24/12/2014, 1:18:06 AM] Peter Coffin: I will likely pursue it, this isn't a quick process though
[24/12/2014, 1:18:08 AM] Remy: I def. see Alex's point. Also related to how I think Mrs. Wu wouldn't currently have the free time needed to take on another business project.
[24/12/2014, 1:18:20 AM] Alex Lifschitz: Frankly it just frustrates me that this whole situation re: Cernovich and Patreon has spun up because of a few people making one or two dumb moves. But, we can't control everything.
[24/12/2014, 1:18:48 AM] Alex Lifschitz: And TBF, god bless Brianna, I would not trust her with a hamster right now given her situation.
Here we have some scheming against Mike Cernovich, but more important, more admission they consider Wu a moron.
[24/12/2014, 1:19:03 AM] Peter Coffin: Like if we pitched tomorrow and it worked out, it would be months before there was anything done
[24/12/2014, 1:19:36 AM] Peter Coffin: Please elaborate. I don't know what you mean
[24/12/2014, 1:19:52 AM] Alex Lifschitz: Always good to have a background process unaffiliated, but let's invest our attention and hope right now into the small victories and continue the streak. Good things tend to happen as a result.
[24/12/2014, 1:20:01 AM] Peter Coffin: Agreed
[24/12/2014, 1:20:04 AM] Alex Lifschitz: About what?
[24/12/2014, 1:20:36 AM] Peter Coffin: Brianna, I have been out of contact with her a bit
[24/12/2014, 1:21:01 AM] Remy: We may be having two conversations simultaneously right now and if that's my fault I apologize but I promise I'm listening to both people
[24/12/2014, 1:21:11 AM] Peter Coffin: Actually everyone lately
[24/12/2014, 1:21:26 AM] Alex Lifschitz: She's in a really sensitive place from all the insanity and acts pretty much entirely on impulse with no thought for appearance, consequences, or tactics.
Again, more admission Wu is an imbecile they cannot make dance to their tune who does their own thing, much to their consternation.
[24/12/2014, 1:21:57 AM] Remy: I have been sensing that but didn't want to assume I knew
[24/12/2014, 1:22:04 AM] Alex Lifschitz: I feel for her, but reliable she is not.
[24/12/2014, 1:22:07 AM] Ian Cheong: Yeah, she's said and done a few very damaging things to her own cause.
[24/12/2014, 1:22:17 AM] Ian Cheong: We have to be tactical about this.
[24/12/2014, 1:22:19 AM] Alex Lifschitz: Yeah. She's totally new to both feminism and crisis management.
[24/12/2014, 1:22:34 AM] Remy: She might still be trapped inside the mad minute and just trying to make sense of everything
[24/12/2014, 1:22:51 AM] Remy: She was ambushed as well, that tends to unbalance you at first
[24/12/2014, 1:23:11 AM] Alex Lifschitz: It's really getting to her and she has started to develop some weird expectations of what she is owed and capable of.
Ironic, give how entitled the rest of the parties here (save Cheong, who later repudiated these people and even then was the smart one who saw this trainwreck for what it was) are about what they are entitled to, but they do accurately point out Wu was and still is someone who flails and screams without thinking about the consequences.
[24/12/2014, 1:23:22 AM] Remy: Sorry the first part of an ambush is often called the "mad minute" 'cause nothing ever gets communicated it's just nothing but shooting and screaming
[24/12/2014, 1:23:22 AM] Alex Lifschitz: It's just really unfortunate but I can't recommend association with any major moves of hers right now.
[24/12/2014, 1:23:46 AM] Remy: I really wish I had made a better resume so I could have been hired for her new assistant position
And this has two hilarious reveals: One, Lifschitz realizes they made an epic mistake in trying to associate with Wu and wants to cut Wu off, and Remy wanted the job of Wu's assistant, presumably to be a more effective "handler".
[31/12/2014, 4:06:38 AM] Tesseract: brianna got modded on ghazi
[31/12/2014, 4:06:56 AM] live:riotarms: Member of YMO remixed the Xevious music and I think they also made a fake language as part of some 80s project
[31/12/2014, 4:07:57 AM] Ian Cheong: Oh TEss
[31/12/2014, 4:07:59 AM] Ian Cheong: that's a bad decision
[31/12/2014, 4:08:04 AM] Ian Cheong: she is a loose cannon
[31/12/2014, 4:10:12 AM] David Gallant: What exactly will mod status allow her to do?
[31/12/2014, 4:10:18 AM] Ian Cheong: delete posts.
[31/12/2014, 4:10:21 AM] Ian Cheong: censor people.
[31/12/2014, 4:10:27 AM] Ian Cheong: approve posts
[31/12/2014, 4:10:37 AM] Quinnae: I did note that. I'll try and counsel her a bit on that.
[31/12/2014, 4:10:44 AM] Quinnae: Frankly I'm disappointed she accepted.
[31/12/2014, 4:11:08 AM] David Gallant: Seems weird she would accept that mod position when she's trying to focus more on making games.
And this section covers Wu's appointment to position of moderator on r/GamerGhazi, which they and later the rest of GamerGhazi would come to regret. Cheong again sees this will end in ignominious failure, even David Gallant has the good sense to realize this is stretching the limits of Wu's competence, and Quinnae (Katherine Cross) is revealed as the go between trying to be Wu's handler and even Cross isn't very optimistic Wu will not make a hash of things.
[31/12/2014, 4:11:39 AM] Ian Cheong: This message has been removed.
[31/12/2014, 4:12:40 AM] Rob: I don't like positions of authority being given out unless the person is going to use them (and well)
[31/12/2014, 4:12:54 AM] Rob: it's why I always ran kicking and screaming when people wanted to make me an officer in games like WoW and shit
[31/12/2014, 4:13:04 AM] Ian Cheong: i mean, im fine with inactive mods not doing anything, but it's kinda iffy when a person has a history of being a loose cannon.
And here we have more prophetic statements that would prove true, as Wu's history as a GamerGhazi mod was so horrible even they don't like to talk about it.
[01/01/2015, 2:42:35 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Which specific tweet from Bri started this whole headbutting with the trans community going on right now with Bri?
[01/01/2015, 2:42:46 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Seems a lot of people want her to apologize for something
[01/01/2015, 2:43:39 AM] Athena Hollow: https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/550350565168128000
[01/01/2015, 2:44:09 AM] Athena Hollow: https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/550350737772146688
[01/01/2015, 2:44:14 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: did anyone find the Helen Lewis comment/article?
[01/01/2015, 2:44:30 AM] Rob: I know Helen Lewis does have a history of transphobic stuff
[01/01/2015, 2:44:36 AM] Athena Hollow: https://twitter.com/helenlewis/status/549953400855855104
[01/01/2015, 2:44:36 AM] Dina : ok Brianna no
[01/01/2015, 2:44:50 AM] Rob: but there are a lot of feminists who do
[01/01/2015, 2:44:52 AM] Rob: big and small
[01/01/2015, 2:44:58 AM] Rob: and they rarely get called on it
[01/01/2015, 2:45:02 AM] Rob: By the public at large
[01/01/2015, 2:45:06 AM] Rob: so I'm wondering if she just doesn't know?
[01/01/2015, 2:45:32 AM] Athena Hollow: in this particular instance, I get what Helen is saying - she's going from a journalistic angle, but if she has a history of transphobic stuff then she should probably just not have said anything at all
[01/01/2015, 2:45:38 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): OMG. Where's Zoe? I need to show her this: https://twitter.com/schalart/status/550361925021089792
[01/01/2015, 2:45:40 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i don't know helen lewis's history. but that comment alone (though i disagree with it) certainly wasn't transphobic, imo
[01/01/2015, 2:45:46 AM] Dina : no I fee like Bri has a weird tendency to co opt the struggle du jour
[01/01/2015, 2:45:49 AM] Athena Hollow: i think it's because of her history
On top of detailing how badly Wu handles Twitter spats over trans issues, we also get a tacit admission Wu themselves is trans.
[01/01/2015, 2:45:49 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: agree, athena
[01/01/2015, 2:45:55 AM] Dina : but maybe I'm just being a bitch
[01/01/2015, 2:45:57 AM] Athena Hollow: which i also don't know
[01/01/2015, 2:46:19 AM] Athena Hollow: I think Bri likes to be an ally, and aknowledges the fact that she has the reach to get the message out there
[01/01/2015, 2:46:25 AM] Athena Hollow: but unknowingly speaks over those people
[01/01/2015, 2:46:34 AM] Athena Hollow: like those "bad" feminist dudes we were talking about.
[01/01/2015, 2:46:39 AM] Dina : speaks over is a great way to put it imho
[01/01/2015, 2:46:40 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): McIntosh
[01/01/2015, 2:46:44 AM] Athena Hollow: him. yes.
[01/01/2015, 2:46:46 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): I don't like how he does that
[01/01/2015, 2:46:47 AM] Athena Hollow: a lot.
[01/01/2015, 2:46:52 AM] Dina : who?
[01/01/2015, 2:46:55 AM] Rob: I'm always worried about crossing that line, tbh
[01/01/2015, 2:47:02 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): the other half of Feminist Frequency
[01/01/2015, 2:47:07 AM] Dina : oooh
[01/01/2015, 2:47:08 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Jonathan McIntosh
And here we have an amusing comparison of McIntosh and Wu as both being a bunch of bad allies who come off as condescending assholes.
[01/01/2015, 2:47:13 AM] Rob: since i spend an inordinate amount of time talking about feminism and lgbtq rights or muslim rights etc
[01/01/2015, 2:47:23 AM] Dina : yeah I don't follow him, enough white dudes on my TL
[01/01/2015, 2:47:26 AM] Dina : no offense
[01/01/2015, 2:47:31 AM] Rob: none taken, dina, lol
[01/01/2015, 2:47:32 AM] Athena Hollow: The way I handle it Rob, is I pose it as a question instead of a statement if it's something that I don't have cold fact to rely on.
[01/01/2015, 2:47:37 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: hey i was a white dude once qq
[01/01/2015, 2:47:39 AM] Peter Coffin: none taken
[01/01/2015, 2:48:04 AM] Peter Coffin: though sometimes I'm a dirty jew, depends on your racial perspective
[01/01/2015, 2:48:07 AM] Athena Hollow: lol
[01/01/2015, 2:48:18 AM] Rob: And sometimes I'm a filthy border hopper
[01/01/2015, 2:48:32 AM] Peter Coffin: you own a pogo stick?
[01/01/2015, 2:48:36 AM] Rob: :D
[01/01/2015, 2:48:36 AM] Athena Hollow: The way Brianna SHOULD have handled that statement was asking about Helen's transphobic history to see if there was more to it that she is unaware of
[01/01/2015, 2:48:43 AM] Athena Hollow: instead she said "We shouldn't call her transphobic"
And they end this discussion with little self deprecatory humor and more despondency over how Wu screwed things up again.
[01/01/2015, 9:02:34 AM] Athena Hollow: https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/550456572854689793 >_>
[01/01/2015, 9:02:59 AM] Tesseract: no brianna don't do that
[01/01/2015, 9:03:16 AM] Athena Hollow: and she rt'd the obviously sarcastic response >_>
[01/01/2015, 9:03:31 AM] Charloppe: le sigh
[01/01/2015, 9:03:56 AM] Charloppe: i will admit I rather be aware of the shit then oblivious like I was
[01/01/2015, 9:25:18 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Is Brianna being reckless again on Twitter?
[01/01/2015, 9:25:25 AM] Remy: not currently
[01/01/2015, 9:25:43 AM] Remy: But she has made a 2015 resolution to be more expressive and not bottle up so much
Yet more regret Wu doesn't know how to read off a script and instead embarrasses themselves.
And since a few admissions Wu is transgender have already come up, here's a few more admissions they are aware of it:
[24/12/2014, 2:03:41 PM] Tesseract: here's the list of search terms I use to catch harassing tweets
[24/12/2014, 2:03:43 PM] Tesseract: bitch bitches cunt cunts whore whores nigger niggers fag fags faggot faggots tranny trannies jew jews nazi nazis rape
zoe quinn thequinnspiracy literally lw lw1 chelsea van valkenburg
femfreq anita sarkeesian
lw2 brianna wu spacekatgal deceitfulwu john walker flynt lwu lw3
freebsdgirl randi harper blue
leigh alexander leighalexander
srh sarah butts srhbutts
devi ever deviever grace lynn pixelgoth devinever deviwhatever disgracedlynn
chloe sagal chloesagal
ian miles cheong stillgray
arthur_affect arthur chu
alex lifschitz alexlifschitz
jonathan mcintosh radicalbytes #FullMcintosh
Note the "john walker flynt"
[02/01/2015, 9:44:12 AM] Quinnae: Eh, it's a long story that requires getting into the weeds of trans politics. Basically Brianna Wu shot from the hip about something very inadvisable that came off as a cis woman cissplaining transphobia to trans people, some of the angrier trans folk online got upset. Erika got really mad. Brianna Wu's social media coordinator blocked Erika, Erika got madder and started rallying people against Brianna Wu squashing her and being transphobic…
Keep in mind if Wu was NOT trans, Katherine Cross (who is trans themselves) would not have referred to Wu's miscues as "a cis woman cissplaining transphobia to trans people", but rather it would be the other way round.
Further, if Wu was not trans, why is Cross outing someone who isn't?
And the below should eliminate any doubts they are very aware Wu is transgender:
[02/01/2015, 2:26:18 PM] Ian Cheong: forgive me if i sound ignorant but how is brianna being transphobic?
[02/01/2015, 2:26:36 PM] Remy: She isn't
[02/01/2015, 2:26:39 PM] Athena Hollow: It was more 'ignorance' than 'malicious'.
[02/01/2015, 2:26:43 PM] Remy: Unless something has happened I"m not aware of
[02/01/2015, 2:26:51 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Who claimed that? I am seeing people saying she is "cisplaining' or stepping over and trying to speak for trans people.
[02/01/2015, 2:26:52 PM] Athena Hollow: She cis splained some trans stuff to trans people
[02/01/2015, 2:26:56 PM] Remy: ^
[02/01/2015, 2:26:57 PM] Athena Hollow: without asking first
[02/01/2015, 2:27:19 PM] Remy: This wasn't a malicious attack it was a faux pas
[02/01/2015, 2:27:22 PM] Ian Cheong: izzy, the stuff erika said
[02/01/2015, 2:27:23 PM] Athena Hollow: yup
[02/01/2015, 2:27:28 PM] Ian Cheong: erika was accusing her of transphobia
[02/01/2015, 2:27:33 PM] Tesseract: does this quash the rumors of her being trans at least
Note, Wu was the one who called accusations of being trans 'rumors", but as we see below, the truth is spelled out.
[02/01/2015, 2:27:37 PM] Ian Cheong: (doh)
[02/01/2015, 2:27:45 PM] Ian Cheong: no she could stilll be trans
[02/01/2015, 2:27:59 PM] Ian Cheong: shes just not versed in the grammar of talking about trans issues
[02/01/2015, 2:28:10 PM] Randi Harper: it's stupid.
[02/01/2015, 2:28:14 PM] Randi Harper: the entire thing is fucking stupid.
[02/01/2015, 2:28:16 PM] Quinnae: No it does not "quash the rumours." This is just… a complicated situation.
Cross has tried to not just outright say Wu is trans, but it's the elephant in the room, and we'll see below they know denying it is very stupid.
[02/01/2015, 2:28:20 PM] Randi Harper: and i'm pissed about it.
[02/01/2015, 2:28:20 PM] Tesseract: I mean I guess if chobitcoin can be trans brianna can fuck up some minor thing
[02/01/2015, 2:28:33 PM] Ian Cheong: I wish people wouldn't turn on her so quickly, you know?
[02/01/2015, 2:28:33 PM] Athena Hollow: lol
[02/01/2015, 2:28:37 PM] Ian Cheong: There's bigger, worse targets out there
[02/01/2015, 2:28:39 PM] Ian Cheong: like chobit
[02/01/2015, 2:28:45 PM] Ian Cheong: who is openly transphobic towards other trans people.
[02/01/2015, 2:28:57 PM] Quinnae: Well, so far as I can see, not many are turning on her and I think we took the heat out of this today.
[02/01/2015, 2:29:35 PM] Randi Harper: I wish stupid bitches would learn to act like goddamn grownup and not throw their tantrums on twitter REFUSING to actually talk to the person involved privately when they KNOW it's going to bring down even more hate and mocking on someone that's already been such a target she's had to leave her house.
[02/01/2015, 2:29:38 PM] Randi Harper: so mad.
[02/01/2015, 2:29:43 PM] Randi Harper: it's just so fucking low class.
[02/01/2015, 2:29:47 PM] Ian Cheong: Agreed
[02/01/2015, 2:30:15 PM] Randi Harper: and I so fucking called it. I said GG would see it and run with it, and they have.
[02/01/2015, 2:30:27 PM] Ian Cheong: I get that she says ignorant things sometimes but she's been under a lot of pressure, is the focus of so much harassment.
[02/01/2015, 2:30:40 PM] Quinnae: We did get her to talk privately at least, Randi, and resolved it.
[02/01/2015, 2:30:54 PM] Randi Harper: eventually. yet the tweets remained. and she gave a halfass "yeah, we worked it out"
[02/01/2015, 2:31:04 PM] Randi Harper: I was told this isn't the first time she's pulled this shit and I have no patience for people like that. I think they are scum.
[02/01/2015, 2:31:18 PM] Quinnae: Steady on, Randi, that's a bit much.
[02/01/2015, 2:31:22 PM] Ian Cheong: yeah
[02/01/2015, 2:31:27 PM] Remy: But I think we totally understand where you're coming from Randi
[02/01/2015, 2:31:30 PM] Quinnae: We're trying our damndest here.
[02/01/2015, 2:31:38 PM] Randi Harper: harsh for you. I can have my own feelings and things that piss me off, and that's one of the major ones.
[02/01/2015, 2:31:43 PM] Remy: When you put so much into your work it's hard to see a lack of professionalism start to effect your friends
[02/01/2015, 2:32:48 PM] Quinnae: Agreed. I'm just not going to throw another trans woman under the bus without good cause. Feeling powerless can lead to some ugly behaviours. In time, you can grow out of them, hopefully, but it takes effort and shepherding.
[02/01/2015, 2:32:59 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Ugh. So much tension on "our side" lately. Like this: https://twitter.com/8BitBecca/status/550902426518421504
[02/01/2015, 2:33:07 PM] Randi Harper: i'm not throwing her under the bus because she's trans. i'm throwing her under the bus - in this chat only, and not publicly - because of her actions.
[02/01/2015, 2:33:13 PM] Randi Harper: trans is not a shield from shitty behavior.
[02/01/2015, 2:33:26 PM] Ian Cheong: ^
[02/01/2015, 2:33:32 PM] Remy: I was gonna say I am just glad we have places like this where we can vent and express our frustrations
[02/01/2015, 2:33:42 PM] Randi Harper: indeed. this is not something I ever could have said on twitter.
And Randi Harper finally decides "to hell with pretense" and calls Wu out for being an incompetent and openly acknowledges (in a private chat she never thought would see the light of day) Wu is transgender, that is no shield for Wu acting like an idiot, and makes no bones about her rage at Wu's arrogance and incompetence. Cross reluctantly acknowledges the same, tacitly admitting in vain they've tried to be Wu's stage manager and frustrated Wu keeps tossing out the script.
[02/01/2015, 5:52:18 AM] Quinnae: I was talking Brianna down from her position, trying to put a lid on this all as we speak.
[02/01/2015, 5:52:29 AM] Quinnae: She's definitely listening.
[02/01/2015, 5:52:32 AM] Rob: Good, Katherine ❤
[02/01/2015, 5:52:35 AM] Athena Hollow: That's good :)
[02/01/2015, 5:52:41 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): ❤
[02/01/2015, 5:52:45 AM] Athena Hollow: I was really worried it was all gonna go super topsy turvy
[02/01/2015, 5:52:48 AM] Rob: Like she follows me and I was tempted to DM her
[02/01/2015, 5:53:01 AM] Rob: but I haven't spoken to her privately that much and I'm not trans so I also didn't want to get anything wrong :\
[02/01/2015, 5:54:17 AM] Remy: I need to find a picture of someone trying to hold onto a literal shield while someone is taking it away
[02/01/2015, 5:54:20 AM] Remy: So I can tweet NotYourShield
[02/01/2015, 5:54:36 AM] drinternetphd: katherine, could you send me those links again?
[02/01/2015, 5:54:42 AM] Izzy (@iglvzx): I'm so mean, guys. :( /s https://twitter.com/iglvzx/status/550772036285390848
[02/01/2015, 5:54:43 AM] Rob: Does anyone have the link to the op against the trans hotline?
[02/01/2015, 5:54:49 AM] Rob: Auragasmic is asking me for info on it
[02/01/2015, 5:54:52 AM] drinternetphd: I nuked my skype history and lost them before being able to add them to scrivener
Here we have more proof Cross tried in vain to be Wu's damage control.
[02/01/2015, 9:41:37 AM] Quinnae: flops Gods that was exhausting.
[02/01/2015, 9:41:42 AM] Athena Hollow: yeah i bet.
[02/01/2015, 9:41:43 AM] Rob: ❤ KATHERINE
[02/01/2015, 9:41:43 AM] Athena Hollow: ❤
[02/01/2015, 9:41:48 AM] Quinnae: Had a long conversation with Erika afterwards too.
[02/01/2015, 9:41:50 AM] Rob: Seriosuly you are fucking awesome
[02/01/2015, 9:41:50 AM] Remy: Hey Katherine
[02/01/2015, 9:41:53 AM] Remy: We were just cheering for you
[02/01/2015, 9:42:04 AM] Quinnae: D'awww. Thanks all.
[02/01/2015, 9:42:07 AM] Remy: You're the best ❤
[02/01/2015, 9:42:11 AM] SF: I was wishing Tesseract a happy birthday.
[02/01/2015, 9:42:14 AM] Remy: Don't tell Veerender ❤ I said that
[02/01/2015, 9:42:18 AM] Athena Hollow: oh hahaha it's her "birthday"
[02/01/2015, 9:42:28 AM] Quinnae: Yeah, that was a tangle. sighs Eating a well-deserved pizza right now. Because goddamn… I do hate playing peacemaker.
Cross, off the heels of trying to defuse another bomb Wu activated, obviously flustered.
[02/01/2015, 9:42:29 AM] Remy: I'm cheating on all of you with Veerender ❤
[02/01/2015, 9:42:33 AM] Athena Hollow: lol
[02/01/2015, 9:42:36 AM] Secret Gamer Girl: Erika's cool, has a lot lot of very strong opinions and useful links on various trans issues, but… she's also really RIGHT on the edge of suicide and takes things really really personally.
[02/01/2015, 9:42:36 AM] Randi Harper: quinnae: what the hell was all that about?
[02/01/2015, 9:42:38 AM] Athena Hollow: well you may hate it but you're good :)
[02/01/2015, 9:42:39 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: what happened, katherine?
[02/01/2015, 9:42:47 AM] Randi Harper: quinnae: she might throw another fit when she sees that I've preemptively blocked her.
[02/01/2015, 9:42:47 AM] Rob: SGG: Yes, that.
[02/01/2015, 9:42:53 AM] Peter Coffin: hey folks whats up
[02/01/2015, 9:42:53 AM] Quinnae: I like it in theory. :) It just takes a lot out of her.
[02/01/2015, 9:42:57 AM] Quinnae: *out of me
[02/01/2015, 9:43:05 AM] Rob: Which is why I was like STEPS AWAY, SHUT DOWN ACCOUNT when all that shit went down between us
[02/01/2015, 9:43:10 AM] Athena Hollow: yeah
[02/01/2015, 9:43:15 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: i'm very lost
[02/01/2015, 9:43:27 AM] Athena Hollow: Ericka got mad at Bri. Shit hit fan.
[02/01/2015, 9:43:35 AM] Peter Coffin: what
[02/01/2015, 9:43:35 AM] Athena Hollow: Katherine was lady mediator & saved the day
[02/01/2015, 9:43:40 AM] Athena Hollow: all is well in the world again
[02/01/2015, 9:43:43 AM] Rob: Like as some of you may have noticed (ha ha ha) I have an anger problem
[02/01/2015, 9:43:45 AM] Athena Hollow: (as well as it can be of course)
[02/01/2015, 9:44:12 AM] Quinnae: Eh, it's a long story that requires getting into the weeds of trans politics. Basically Brianna Wu shot from the hip about something very inadvisable that came off as a cis woman cissplaining transphobia to trans people, some of the angrier trans folk online got upset. Erika got really mad. Brianna Wu's social media coordinator blocked Erika, Erika got madder and started rallying people against Brianna Wu squashing her and being transphobic…
As explained earlier, Cross is basically the one who served as the go between for Quinn's cabal and Wu, and every time Cross clamped down on another Wu screwup, reports were delivered to Quinn and her acolytes.
[02/01/2015, 9:44:14 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: thank you for helping out, katherine. but be sure to take care of yourself :(
[02/01/2015, 9:44:20 AM] Quinnae: That was when Randi showed up and I stepped in at around the same time.
[02/01/2015, 9:44:37 AM] Quinnae: It had to be done, that could've gotten very ugly very fast.
[02/01/2015, 9:44:40 AM] Rob: Katherine you are awesome for defusing that
[02/01/2015, 9:44:50 AM] Rob: also when you favorite my stuff I'm like SENPAI ❤
[02/01/2015, 9:44:55 AM] Athena Hollow: hahaha
[02/01/2015, 9:44:56 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: haha
[02/01/2015, 9:45:09 AM] Rob: DON'T LAUGH I LIKE ACADEMICS OKAY
[02/01/2015, 9:45:16 AM] Quinnae: laughs and tosses her hair over her shoulder, winks
[02/01/2015, 9:45:17 AM] Remy: Let's all just hope it's too complicated for GG to try and parse through and use against them
Small aside here, they acknowledge here GamerGate is a valid "side". So much for that "Gamergate and everyone else" meme they loved to spout in public.
[02/01/2015, 9:45:19 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL
[02/01/2015, 9:45:21 AM] Remy: Or other reactionaries
[02/01/2015, 9:45:28 AM] Athena Hollow: oh yeah, gg is dumb, we're good.
[02/01/2015, 9:45:29 AM] Athena Hollow: lol
[02/01/2015, 9:45:36 AM] Randi Harper: i'm fully waiting for the KiA piece about how bri is a transphobic and i defended her.
[02/01/2015, 9:45:40 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL
[02/01/2015, 9:45:47 AM] Quinnae: Yeah. That's one of the big risks.
[02/01/2015, 9:45:47 AM] Randi Harper: dead serious.
[02/01/2015, 9:45:47 AM] Athena Hollow: I'll get the popcorn ready.
[02/01/2015, 9:45:48 AM] Peter Coffin: well done katherine & randi
[02/01/2015, 9:45:50 AM] Randi Harper: not even laughing.
[02/01/2015, 9:45:51 AM] Remy: Yup
[02/01/2015, 9:45:53 AM] Quinnae: Another fissure for GG to exploit.
[02/01/2015, 9:45:54 AM] Rob: I know, Randi. It's gonna happen
[02/01/2015, 9:45:56 AM] Remy: I didn't wanna say it but Randi di
[02/01/2015, 9:45:57 AM] Randi Harper: peter: i daccomplished nothing.
[02/01/2015, 9:46:04 AM] Quinnae: It's one of the main reasons this had to be clamped down ASAP.
Cross yet again establishing they were damage control, partially to prevent what they openly have acknowledged as a massive mistake from being used against them.
[02/01/2015, 9:47:56 AM] Randi Harper: also slightly annoyed with her "yeah, confirming that spacekatgal and i worked it out" after spewing tons of tweets about how bri is a horrible person.
[02/01/2015, 9:47:56 AM] drinternetphd: Just cause the avenues for actually talking shut down so quick and people just start shouting past each other
[02/01/2015, 9:47:59 AM] Randi Harper: not adequate.
[02/01/2015, 9:48:09 AM] Rob: agreed, zoe
[02/01/2015, 9:48:18 AM] Quinnae: Eh, Randi, to be honest with you…
[02/01/2015, 9:48:34 AM] Randi Harper: be honest. i'm not going to be offended.
[02/01/2015, 9:48:35 AM] Rob: And also 140 characters PLUS trying to watch your words so they're not misinterpreted (deliberately, by GG) PLUS having people interject….
[02/01/2015, 9:48:51 AM] Quinnae: She's not very powerful and definitely the much smaller underprivileged party here. I don't want her to make a big song and dance out of apologising, I'm interested in practical outcomes. This just needed to stop.
[02/01/2015, 9:48:55 AM] Quinnae: It has, and I'm pleased with that.
[02/01/2015, 9:48:58 AM] Sarah, Butt-er of the Butts: wait you mean leigh WASN'T laughing at native islanders
[02/01/2015, 9:49:00 AM] Quinnae: So is Brianna.
[02/01/2015, 9:49:07 AM] Athena Hollow: LOL Sarah.
[02/01/2015, 9:49:10 AM] Randi Harper: it's not about making a statement politically. it's about how i view her as a person now.
[02/01/2015, 9:49:38 AM] Rob: I will say this, Randi - if people try o use their fight against bri? Erika's going to be the first person to tell them to fuck off
[02/01/2015, 9:49:42 AM] Rob: and be vociferous in defending bri
[02/01/2015, 9:49:48 AM] Athena Hollow: There is that.
[02/01/2015, 9:49:52 AM] Rob: She did that when people tried to use our tiff against me.
[02/01/2015, 9:50:16 AM] Remy: Randi's plate seems like it's just too full for her to have patience with people playing fast and loose on Twitter
[02/01/2015, 9:50:26 AM] Randi Harper: i find her tactics distasteful. after kicking up all that fuss, her response wasn't adequate, and i dislike her as a person because of it.
[02/01/2015, 9:50:26 AM] Athena Hollow: yeah.
[02/01/2015, 9:50:34 AM] Randi Harper: no, this is aside from twitter.
[02/01/2015, 9:50:39 AM] Randi Harper: that is the kind of shit that grinds my gears.
[02/01/2015, 9:50:56 AM] SF: I have to say I have trouble sympathizing when people get really upset over trans issues over cisplaining and such. I mean, it's frustrating, but I'm a little more concerned about people who want to literally murder me.
[02/01/2015, 9:50:58 AM] Remy: oh my bad I'm gonna stop talking about things I don't understand now x-x
[02/01/2015, 9:51:25 AM] SF: And I get you can call out both, but, perspective.
[02/01/2015, 9:51:41 AM] Quinnae: Yeah, and you all know my views on such things.
[02/01/2015, 9:51:45 AM] Randi Harper: this whole twitter thing has been a whole exercise in pushing past my knee-jerk reaction of finding public fights to be repellant. I've been justifying it by saying it's for the greater good, whatever, responding to attacks.
[02/01/2015, 9:51:53 AM] Quinnae: I try my best to be pragmatic.
[02/01/2015, 9:52:00 AM] Rob: Definitely not gonna disagree, randi
[02/01/2015, 9:52:32 AM] Quinnae: Yeah, not a fan of Twitter spats either, Randi.
[02/01/2015, 9:52:41 AM] Randi Harper: not a fan of any public spats.
Randi Harper is again candid about how Wu's reaction in a Twitter spat do not make her feel comfortable in the slightest and bluntly rages about how Wu is an idiot with no impulse control or discretion.
[02/01/2015, 12:19:48 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Any sane person is going to hate GG, especially if you're a trans woman, and ESPECIALLY if you're a suicidal trans woman
The following about the suicide of Leelah Acorn, and Secret Gamer Girl (whose last public tweet refers to their reaction to having these logs outed) sets the tone nicely for the rest that follows, especially their deranged insistence that GamerGate is an enemy of the transgendered, which is bizarre, since GamerGate has many transgendered people aligned with it.
[02/01/2015, 12:19:51 PM] Remy: yup
[02/01/2015, 12:19:52 PM] Quinnae: That's sad. I feel the same way Zoe. sighs
[02/01/2015, 12:19:57 PM] Remy: She was also on Reddit
[02/01/2015, 12:20:09 PM] Peter Coffin: Ah that's so sad
[02/01/2015, 12:20:16 PM] Ian Cheong: People are really mad at Brianna for posting about Leelah
[02/01/2015, 12:20:29 PM] Remy: Tons of people have posted about Leelah
[02/01/2015, 12:20:44 PM] drinternetphd: I just tried to signal boost resources for trans youth.
[02/01/2015, 12:21:10 PM] Remy: And I try and tweet out about TAVA when I get the chance
[02/01/2015, 12:21:13 PM] drinternetphd: Cause I didn't know whAt to do and I didn't want anyone to get harassed
[02/01/2015, 12:21:34 PM] Ian Cheong: https://twitter.com/Spacekatgal/status/549802874608549888
[02/01/2015, 12:21:38 PM] Ian Cheong: this tweet got people mad.
[02/01/2015, 12:22:34 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): That one? I thought it was the one where she told her trans followers to not call someone transphobic
[02/01/2015, 12:22:37 PM] Remy: I was also stoked when that news agency checked out that lead and confirmed Leelahs' note
[02/01/2015, 12:23:09 PM] Ian Cheong: well izzy KIA is saying that she found a way to blame GG for Leelah's death and that's blahbblahblahblah
[02/01/2015, 12:23:28 PM] Ian Cheong: People infer a lot of stupid things.
[02/01/2015, 12:23:47 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): Well, I have that screenshot of GG trying to use Leelah's death to improve their public image
[02/01/2015, 12:23:55 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): they are worse
[02/01/2015, 12:24:28 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): this: https://twitter.com/iglvzx/status/550159129956732928
[02/01/2015, 12:24:34 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: pretty sure Brianna deleted all the tweets that really got people upset real shortly after, yeah
Here we have some griping about Wu's inability to handle a situation like this without handing ammo to their enemies.
[02/01/2015, 12:25:34 PM] Ian Cheong: my fucking ps4 keeps turning itself on
[02/01/2015, 12:25:43 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): o.o
[02/01/2015, 12:26:07 PM] Ian Cheong: the power board is messed up
[02/01/2015, 12:26:16 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-4-Support/Ps4-Keeps-turning-on-randomly-ejects-game-disc/td-p/42955907
[02/01/2015, 12:26:26 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): "Ps4 Keeps turning on randomly, ejects game disc"
[02/01/2015, 12:26:27 PM] Izzy (@iglvzx): spooky
[02/01/2015, 12:27:51 PM] SF: I don't even know how to feel about Leelah Alcorn. In like the literal sense.
[02/01/2015, 12:28:03 PM] SF: Maybe it's mental defence filtering me out from thinking about it too hard.
[02/01/2015, 12:28:33 PM] drinternetphd: I just want to hug a lot of people and thank every god and goddess ever that the trans women in my life are still with me
[02/01/2015, 12:28:37 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: Also I have yet to see one single person say "GG drove Leelah to suicide" or anything of the sort, but when you make a specific goal of driving all trans women to suicide as just sort of a general goal, it's fair to hold you accountable for all cases.
[02/01/2015, 12:28:53 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: and yeah, seriously
[02/01/2015, 12:29:01 PM] SF: GG pretty clearly has plenty of op transgenocide in their ranks.
I'll be blunt, "Secret Gamer Girl" is insane. I wouldn't have stood up for Transeye West if I hated the transgendered, and according to the hit count on my blog, KIA gave me thousands of hits in under a day for rehosting their Medium article Wu bullied them into getting removed from Twitter, so I doubt a large majority of GG aligned people hate the transgendered.
[02/01/2015, 12:29:03 PM] drinternetphd: I wanted to like
[02/01/2015, 12:29:13 PM] drinternetphd: Put a message out to my trans followers
[02/01/2015, 12:29:24 PM] Secret Gamer Girl: did you happen to catch mine?
[02/01/2015, 12:29:39 PM] drinternetphd: Congratulating them on surviving another year because of how fucking shitty of a deal they've been given
We close this out with Quinn and SGG congratulating themselves on how they made themselves look good.
There are a few other mentions of Wu in the logs, but the following already establishes the following facts:
- Wu was considered as potential ally for Quinn and company.
- Katherine Cross was the intermediary who brokered the deal.
- Wu from day one proved to be more trouble than they were worth.
- Practically everyone realized the gravity of the mistake, and while Cross was the most reluctant to toss the baby out with the bathwater, the consensus was that Wu was a gigantic liability.
- Repeated attempts were made to bring Wu to heel, all to little to no effect, and Randi Harper bluntly and accurately pointed out Wu was an idiot and a dead weight for their cause.
- They were all responsible for boosting Wu to prominence to some degree, and immediately wanted to sever ties when this blew up in their face.
Wu was to be their puppet, but became their albatross.
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